An NAEYC Online Event
Frances Carlson responded to a selection of questions and comments during an online event from June 20–24, 2011. Read the questions and her responses below!
Rolling, running, climbing, chasing, pushing, banging, tagging, falling, tumbling, rough-and-tumble, rowdy, roughhousing, horseplay, play-fighting. These are just some of the names that adults give to the boisterous, large motor, very physical activity that young children naturally seem to crave. All are forms of big body play—a play style that gives children the opportunities they need for optimum development across all domains from physical to cognitive and language to social and emotional.
— Frances Carlson


Comments
Many Thanks to Frances Carlson
Dear Frances,
I wanted to thank you for leading this Q&A on your book, Big Body Play: Why Boisterous, Vigorous, and Very Physical Play Is Essential to Children’s Development and Learning. Also thanks to all who participated. Check back for the list of upcoming Q&A on the naeyc website: http://www.naeyc.org/onlineevents
Susan Friedman
Boys will be boys?
I worry that the lack gender diversity in our teacher workforce skews how many view the often big body behavior of our boys. As a long-time consultant to early educators working with children with challenging behaviors, consistently ninety percent of the referrals I received were for boys. I found that the typical action-oriented, energetic, and movement-based behavior of young males is often viewed instead as off-task or even as "hyper"-active. Boys are 30 percent more likely than girls to flunk or drop out of school; four to five times more likely than girls to be diagnosed with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD); and make up two-thirds of the students in special education. We must expect that boys (and frankly girls) want to be involved in their own learning: They want to move, explore, experiment, and actively investigate their surroundings. Your book goes a very long way toward legitimizing that point-of-view.
Great work!
Boys will be boys?
I hear the same comments time and time again - and sometimes apologetically as teachers explain to me that they "have" to let the boys be rough because "that's how boys are." And even though there's a wealth of research supporting that boys do naturally play this way more often than girls do, my hope is that we can encourage and support more big body play in girls as well. Understanding the benefits of the play will (hopefully) help us to not just allow the boys to do it, but to celebrate them as they throw themselves around. And if our predominantly female ECE workforce will be active, too, I think we'll see more girls joining in.
rough play
What would you say is the most essential component to "rough play" that parents/caregivers should know? Also at what age would you say is best to begin big body play? Lastly, is there ever a fear that the child will become to rough and tough with other children and/or adults? Thank you!
The best in big body play
Great questions, Kelli - I'll try to answer all of them.The most essential component - in my opinion - is the active supervision rough body play requires. If all supervising adults can embrace it and observe it closely - only stepping in to coach, offer verbal support, reiterate the rules - children can play this way for more extended amounts of time. And, when teachers are supervising the play this closely, they can gain a tremendous amount of information about children's social, emotional, and language development. The best age? Body play begins at birth, just not in as vigorous or boisterous a fashion. It begins as simple exploration, and then gains momentum as toddlers gain strength and motor control. During preschool, children begin to play roughly in a more collaborative, organized way, and by school-age, their games usually have rules and paramaters they create. As far as the fear of becoming too rough, children's rough play actually becomes too rough about 1% of the time - a lot less than most adults would think! And children are very adept at recognizing the limits of their rough play - meaning, it looks "too rough" to us but to the children, it is just rough enough. What we have to look for (while closely supervising) are: facial expressions (are the children smiling?), willingness (are the children there as willing participants, or is one child coercing another?), and time in engagement (do they keep coming back for more, or do they try to run away from the play?). I hope that answered your questions - thanks for asking them!
Unhealthy Air
When I think of big body play, I recall summers outdoors: playing chase, wrestling in the grass, rolling down a hill, just running... This summer has been one big code orange smog alert. What advice can you give as to getting the most of big body plan in unhealthy air?
Unhealthy air
My best suggestion is to try and go outside as early as possible before the air quality decreases. You can also provide lots of body play indoors - just make sure the indoor environment has been prepared to accommodate it. You probably can't do much chasing, but you can roll around indoors, and crawl through, over, and around objects. You can also set up wrestling bouts indoors. But for all that great running, I'd recommend trying to do it as early in the day as possible.
curious
I am a babysitter and i was wondering how to incorporate big body play. One is a four year old and her sister is a seven year old. After reading this i am very curious as to what i can do with them.
camps
I work at a camp and my particular group is 3-5 year olds. the majority seems to be 4 year olds though. Do you have any suggestions for games to play with them? We have a room that we go to and it is a fairly good size. We only have one good game to play with them and that seems to get old fast!
infants
I was reading the part about infants and i was some what surprised that play could take place at this stage. How old can you start raising an infant above your head or toss very gently into a pile of cloths or something soft?
Infants and BBP
Even though an infant's development follows a predictable sequence, when each infant achieves different levels of development varies according to a multitude of circumstances. That makes it impossible to say when certain types of big body play would be appropriate for a particular baby. What I can say is that infants will begin to interact with their own bodies almost from birth. and will enjoy interacting with yours as well. Until an infant has established neck and shoulder strength, any type of tossing or dropping would be too dangerous. For these youngest infants, sway them back and forth while supporting the head and neck, or swing them back and forth in a blanket swing where you and a partner hold the ends. You can exercise an infants legs bicycle-style while the baby lies on his or her back - and you can do this before an infant has neck strength. Once the baby can roll side-to-side, and especially when the infant is learning to crawl, provide objects to reach for, crawl over and around, go over, etc. Padded nests give infants lots of opportunities to play this way. Place infants in close enough proximity to each other that they can explore each other's bodies. Older infants - perhaps eight months and above but...again, individual development varies so this is just a yardstick - will enjoy rolling down a padded or carpeted incline, riding "horsey" on your thigh, knee, or ankle, or being gently dropped into a pile of warm laundry (think towels and blankets - not socks and underwear). Infants are gaining so much information from each and every experience, and big body play gives them chances to learn about cause and effect, opportunities to learn body awareness and body control, and it helps build a foundation of empathy as infants are learning how certain experiences make them feel. Thanks for a great question! I could talk about babies all day :)
Big Body Play
One of the biggest reasons to support the inclusion of this type of play, (in my own experience) is that it levels the playing field for kids who do not have the same level of language skills. I have seen kids who have a language delay get involved as equals with their peers when the play is very physical. Often, I find that the children who struggle with language may even be ahead in their physical abilities. I think allowing this play, for these kids (who are language or speech delayed) gives them a tremendous advantage in developing self-esteem and their place amongst their peers.
BBP is good for kids - all kids!
You make so many great points, Suzanne - thank you! The beauty of this big body play is that is is accessible to children regardless of developmental level in that if a child lacks language skills, big body play helps build them. If a child lacks social skills, big body play helps build them, too. And for children who lack physical skill, big body play provides them opportunities to learn about their strength and physical capability, and it can do so even without participation from other children - a child can play vigorously and boisterously all by him or herself. What I love about this play is that it encourages interaction and collaboration, but for children who may be new to the play style - or just plain afraid of it - they can still participate by rolling down a hill all alone, or by rolling off of a big yoga ball onto the ground. The collaborative play offers the greatest language and social interaction benefits, and I've found that children who become comfortable with big body play through interations with objects, or through music and movement big body games, the more "rough" play with the language and social benefits often follows.
Boys vs. Girls
Hi Frances! Many believe little boys should be little men. Show no emotion, play rough, etc. and little girls should be treated as dainty pieces of fine china. Can you explain why rough and tumble play is important for little boys AND little girls?
BBP for all children
Hey Missy - Great question! The benefits of rough play are so rich and varied - and not gender-specific at all - which makes it a great play style for both boys and girls. One of the best benefits of big body play is its support of children learning non-verbal communication: how to read signals, what facial expressions mean, how I use my gestures to tell you to stop, or keep going. Big body play also helps children know how strong they are, as well as how to hold back this strength when the play requires them to do so. As a mother of two sons and a daughter, it was very important for me to help all three of them learn that they are strong and in control of their own bodies. Boys do tend to play this way more than girls do, but we know that girls do enjoy this play style and will play this way when supported. Our job is to model the vigorous play for them, and encourage it in a variety of situations both indoors and outdoors. The book goes into a lot more detail about what this modeling and supporting can look like, so I hope you'll have a chance to read it :)
Big Body Play
As the mom of 3 boys, and now the grandma of 3 boys (payback time, lol) I was so excited to get my copy in the mail yesterday! I work with pre-K teachers, and they are always commenting on the rough and tumble stuff the boys (and sometimes the girls) like to do. This will be a great resource to help them see they can make it a positive, and not feel like a meany all the time. Any thoughts to doing a similar book for the toddler set?
Thanks!
Barb
Big Body Play and Special Education Students
As a first grade teacher, I find your book to be a refreshing take on a very important topic! My question is, how can we include special education students who are mainstreamed in the classroom in this type of play, especially when physical and/or emotional issues are a major issue?
BBP and children with special needs
Hi Suzy - One way to include children with special needs in classroom settings is by introducing some big body games into these settings. I use common finger plays, and then with the help of the children I turn them into big body games. Some of them can get pretty rowdy, so having classroom space to be on the floor is great, but children can also do some of them while standing in one place, or while seated. For a child with a physical delay, the body movements may not be as big or vigorous, but with the assistance of another child, this child could participate. And for children with emotional delays, the physical contact and the ability to achieve a goal with another child - like two children pairing up to create a big spider in "Eensy Weensy Spider" - can provide emotional gains. I hope that answers your question in some way. Research shows us that children with physical disabilities crave big body play as much as their typically developing peers, so I am thrilled that you are seeking ways to include it in your classroom.
Big Body Play
I have a group of five year olds that love to play boys vs. girls, but their games often end quickly when someone gets rough, or someone is labled as the "bad guy". Do you have any suggestions on how to open up their play themes? My class is very energetic and really need the time to explore what their bodies and the bodies of others can do. I have also seen some of the children in my class who have problems with self-control learn to use their words through this type of play and would really like to see it more often on the playground. Also, what type of big body play can I use in the classroom to help them release their energy after listening to a story or completing an activity? Our classroom is pretty small but I sometimes use the library.
I also have a few new students entering the class soon who are "shy" in comparison to the children I already have, any ideas on how can I foster their transition into such an outgoing and physical group?
how to have rough play accepted in earlychil;dhod centers
I work in a center where there is always rough play going on. Personally, i do not seem any harm in this but it is a policy that there is to be none what so ever. How could one try to implement or allow this type of play to be accepted by their director?
I undersatnd how big body play helps children physically socially and emotionally, but how does big body play help children with language and cognitive development?
At times, i do allow my children to to engage in big body play. Most of the time they can control themselves while doing this. But other times, i might have two or three boys who go over board with it. Even after i give them warnings. they might control themselves for mayb 5 minutes but soon after will hurt someone, or start messing with another child who does not want any part of it. Even when they tell that child to stop. How would you let the children still have big body play but at the same time enforce limitations; when you have tried numerous times and is not working?
Supporting Big Body Play
Hi Kizzy - I can see from your question that you understand the importance of administration supporting classroom practices if these practices are going to be successful. You also understand that children need consistency in our expectations of their play and in the limits we provide for them in it. With big body play, close and active supervision is key. Watch the children's facial expressions as well as what you hear them saying to each other and doing to each other's bodies. If a child starts to grimace, or if friendly tags start to become slaps, intervene just long enough to clarify. I might say, "Jennifer, Steven is frowning. See if he wants to stop wrestling" or, "Simon, Randy was tagging you to go next. If his tag was too hard, say, 'That hurt!' instead of slapping him."
Chapter Two discusses in length the many benefits of big body play to a child's overall development. In a nutshell, language development is enhanced by first allowing children lots of opportunities to learn and understand non-verbal communication. Big body play also utilizes a lot of spoken language as children develop and start to play more organized rough games with rules. Their cognitive development is enhanced as the very vigorous play allows them to be more attentive and attentive for longer periods of time than if they had not had access to the play. Even though there is a belief that rough play riles the kids up, it actually calms them down. All the physical contact involved in rough play also helps regulate brain chemicals that can lead to more calm and focused learners.
Administratively, you'll find tools in Big Body Play to help you. The Appendix includes a Letter for Families that explains why a program embraces and supports this play style. There are also sample policies for children birth - three, and for children three and up. The FAQ section also specifically addresses some commonly asked questions about big body play. I hope you'll use these tools to help build support for big body play in your program!
setting limits with big body play
It may be helpful t get the children involved in setting some "ground rules" or expectations as well. So that when they are engaged in big body play it is reminding them of the agreed upon rules versus always direct adult intervention.
I love this idea of big body play, as a parent and educator, and can see so many possibilities. Thank you.
Embracing Rough and Tumble Play
I am very excited for this book to come in mail. It is exactly what I was looking for; someone telling me it is okay to allow the children in my care to engage in rough and tumble play. The purpose of your book has motivated myself to embrace rough and tumble play and join in on this type of play with the children in my classroom. I have started to document more of this type of play and once I read your book I am looking forward to sharing this information with my co-workers and families.
How have parents and educators reacted to your book? Are there more people excited about what you have to say? Or are there more people feeling that this type of play is unexceptable?
Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this topic, it is much needed in the field of Early Childhood Education
Support for Big Body Play
Thanks so much for your enthusiasm about this topic, Katie! I am obviously very passionate about it as well. To answer your question, I am pleased to say that the overwhelming majority of people I've talked with about this topic of rough play and its benefits are as excited about it as I am. Most of the early childhood teachers I've met and heard from are so glad to be validated in their belief that this play style has to have benefits or all children wouldn't spend so much time playing this way. There have been a few skeptics, but these teachers and family members are usually skeptical out of a deep care and concern for children's safety. I have found that when all of us who care for children understand why big body play is good for children and how to actively supervise to encourage and sustain it, we get to feel good about supporting a wonderful part of early childhood.
big body play in music
As an educator with a specialization in Early Childhood and now a private music teacher I am interested in finding ways to implement this very idea of big body play into my music program. Radical to most in my field. I take kids outside and we jumprope to a metronome or bounce a basketball to the beat or even draw the staff with chalk on the driveway and take turns running to the note that's been called out. In one lesson I can teach the 7 tempos to a young child. This can take years without the big body play aspect. Retention of information is better with whole body movement! Is anyone else doing this in a music program?
Great addition to our practice
What a great book!
It's so helpful to have such clear information, organized so well to be able to explain to parents, administrators and policy makers why it's so important to have big body play. As a man working in Early Education I'm questioned about my active play with children or worse - patronized about it - as if it weren't an essential element of quality care!
Keep up the great work - you really are a pioneer in our profession!
Support for men (and boys) in ECE
For years, my male ECE students have told me they are chastised while doing their student teaching for being "too active" with the kids, for "riling the kids up." One of my hopes for this book is that it will mobilize women to not only embrace high activity levels in children, but to become more active ourselves. Don't get me wrong - there are lots of very active women teachers. I think we could use a few more, though, and the more active we become, the more natural it will be to support these high activity levels in our children, too. Thanks for your positive comments and for helping spread the word that very rough play is essential to children's development.
play
I think what frustrates me most about all this is, children are playing. Why do we as adults have to label everyting. Children never have to be told to play, they do it instinctively, and sometimes we as adults need to be reminded of this. I have observed children play for over 12 years (including my own for longer). What I have observed is that if we as adults try to limit the play and put restrictions around their play, it kills the whole mood of imagination they enjoy and are entitled to. Children tend to push their limits and put themselves in 'danger' when we as adults try to intervene. Children are natural learners and test themselves to their own limits, we dont always have to control them. I fully agree with supervision. However as a child myself many years ago physically we were never supervised by adults, their was peer supervision and a mixture of ages played together. I believe schools segregate ages too much. More later.
Obstacles to Big Body Play
What do you see as the biggest obstacles to play (Big Body and other kinds) in public schools today?
Does it come from parents? Policy? Society being too litigious?
Just curious about your take on this.
Thanks, Michelle
Obstacles to big body play
As a private music educator, I've had parents specifically ask me not to play "GAMES" with their children as they think it wastes valuable learning time. The first time this happened I was so shocked I didn't respond. Now, I say, "Actually these are learning activities that will teach your child valuable skills." I usually add something about greater retention and inspiration. I think it's just a mis-understanding of what this whole idea of using our bodies to learn is about.
Preschool Education
What is the best way to combine child development and early childhood education in preschool, That will give the children the play that they need to learn and satisfy the parents need/want for academics?
Parent Education
Frances,
I am ordering your book today! I am hoping to find infomration that will better help my early childhood program educate parents on the necessity of this play. We allow it, but many families get very nervous when they see it happening. We are very clear that it is always supervised, but communicating the learning that occurs has been a challenge. Especially when it involves girls!
I am looking forward to reading your book and appreciate your passion on this subject and willingness to open it up for discussion!!
Thank you so much,
Melissa J
Documenting Learning
Hi Melissa - You have touched on one of the most important and- sometimes- most challenging parts of any early childhood teacher's job: how to document and communicate the learning we "know" is taking place. In this regard, communicating the benefits of big body play can be approached in the same way you would communicate the benefits of block play, or of playing dress-up in the house corner. There is an example of a documentation panel in the book that shows how two boys engaged in a wrestling bout on the playground are are also showing mastery of several standards used in Georgia to demonstrate kindergarten readiness. I have found that documentation panels that
1) use photos of children actively involved in their play,
2) provide captions that include teacher observations and children's own statements about their play, as well as
3) list the learning standards that the children's play is helping build mastery towards
all help us communicate the value of big body play - and all children's play, really - to colleagues, administrators, family members, and community stakeholders.
Big Body Play In Primary School
Hi Frances,
Even though it is sometimes a challenge to convince educational leaders to allow "big body play" outside for preschoolers and kindergarteners, it is extremely difficult to persuade them so in relation to first, second, and third graders. The pressure of academics seems to mute the necessity of carving out times for big body play for these children.
What is a good way to explain the importance of it to a principal who just thinks "recess takes away from the real important academic stuff."
Thanks so much for this opportunity,
Reggie:)
Learning with Big Body Play
Hi Reggie - Thanks for a great question! Part of the challenge all early childhood teachers face is the one of demonstrating the connection between children's learning in the context of play and how this learning-through-play helps them achieve accepted standards. Think of a particular big body activity that children might engage in—for example, wrestling. At first glance, wrestling may not seem to support many state standards for students. Here's an example of how Big Body Play in the form of wrestling meets some standards for first graders:
• Demonstration of both speaking and listening skills (e.g., following a
three-part direction)
• Beginning to understand the principles of writing
• Measuring attributes of concrete objects
• Understanding the measurement of time
• Demonstrating competency in motor skills and movement patterns
needed to perform a variety of activities
A supervised wrestling match can help first-graders develop mastery
of these standards. For example, you could involve students in creating the
wrestling ring, using rulers and tape measures to determine the size. Have
students develop the rules for the game and write them down on posterboard.
Appoint a timekeeper to watch the clock and let participants know
when the bout is over